Palco de Ideias

Sobre a ideia, Platão já dizia: a ideia da coisa é uma projeção do saber: ao verem a coisa, os olhos, emitindo raios de luz, projetam a imagem dessa mesma coisa, que existe em nós como princípio universal. Para Aristóteles, as coisas emitem cópias de si próprias, através da luz, cópias assimiladas pelos sentidos e interpretadas pelo saber inato ou adquirido. Para este blog, ideia é qualquer coisa interessante o suficiente para merecer algumas linhas…

Os perigos da internet

Hoje é muito comum resolver todos os problemas, fazer compras, checar dados, fazer pesquisas, alugar e comprar imóveis.. tudo pela internet. A rede veio mesmo pra mudar nossa vida, nosso comportamento e nossas relações. Mas, como tudo na vida, a internet tem suas vantagens e desvantagens.

Todo mundo que tem a mínima intimidade com a rede se acha auto imune dos golpes e enroscadas cibernéticas. Não é bem assim! Gente bem instruída acaba se dando muito mal por distração, por ingenuidade ou, vamos admitir, porque os maldosos são muito bons em suas fraudes.

Abaixo vou relatar uma troca de emails entre uma pessoa que procurava apartamento e um suposto proprietário que tinha muita pressa em alugar seu apartamento. Vejam só e reparem na quantidade de informações que a pessoa fornece, na estória que ela cria pra justificar o preço e a pressa.. Ele só pecou na péssima gramática inglesa pra quem se diz gringo.

Suposto proprietário respondendo ao primeiro contato do interessado:

From: mauricioturnner@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Pedido de informação
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:56:11 +0000

Hello,
Thank you for your interest. My name is Mauricio Turnner and from the internet add, you could see, i have available the apartment located in: R. Treze de Maio, 95 – Bela Vista, São Paulo, 01327-000, Brazil. It has 2 bedrooms, 1 bathrooms, 1 kitchen and 1 living room.
I am looking for someone to live in it, as soon as possible, because my company has won the auction for a project, in construction, for a building that will rise up in London, England / United Kingdom . I am a civil engineer, so my accommodation period in London will be about 4 – 6 years. The renting period is from 1 months upto 1-8 years. As a result of this I want to rent, for this period, at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment. I`m the owner of the apt and it’s like in the pics.
The apartment is furnished, but I have the option of sending all my furniture into storage if you want to bring your own (no extra costs). The rent for 1 month is R$740, including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, parking, air conditioning, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I`m the only person who has the keys but I hope that we will find a solution.
Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.
Mauricio Turnner
P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only if you are truly interested in the apt.

Interessado:

Hi Mauricio,

I wish I could visit your apartment. I already live in that neighboorhood, but my contract finish in july.

What can I do to go to your apartment? I can do that anytime.

Thanks for you contact.

E o susposto proprietário insiste:

Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I’m in London / Uk already. Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for one month of rent will be R$740 + 1000 security deposit (R$1740), with no extra taxes to pay.I must have one month rent + security deposit from you. The money, I want to recive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem 0for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to check it, and see if you like it. Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast as well. The solution is provided by a company called MoneyBookers which is similar to FedEx or UPS, which will handle both payment and delivery of the Keys. I have found a procedure that will allow you to pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the MoneyBookers website to see how we can complete the deal safely and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is explained: https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow&l=EN
Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care of this matter.

O interessado passou em frente ao endereço fornecido e ele realmente existe. Porém, ao questionar ao porteiro se o tal Mauricio Turnner morava lá, ficou sabendo que essa pessoa nunca residiu ali, que não havia sequer apartamento vago no prédio e que outras centenas de pessoas já haviam procurado essa mesma informação. Como este é um anúncio recente, fica aqui o aviso!

Quando algo parecer bom demais, fora da realidade, desconfie. Porque na maioria das vezes você vai descobrir algo errado. Escondi o nome do site por achar que ele não tem que sofrer uma propaganda negativa por isso. Mas aqui também fica uma dica pra esses sites buscarem uma fórmula que possa tornar os anúncios mais confiáveis. E sobre o nome utilizado, Mauricio Turnner, provavelmente é fictício. Deve haver um verdadeiro Mauricio Turnner por aí, mas este aqui, é falso!

E viva a internet! Mas com cuidado!

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6 thoughts on “Os perigos da internet

  1. Aqui vai mais um apartamento em que a conversa foi exactamente essa. Imagino quantos não existe em todo o Continente….Obrigada por postar esta informação, muito útil * * * * *

    http://arrendamento.nuroa.pt/controller?action=show_item&id=10662019533414&position=1&click_type=3

  2. Mais um!
    http://www.doomos.com.br/de/4334_excelente-apartamento-r1200.html
    O mesmo ap está também no ZAP e mais outros vários sites.
    Atenção sempre…

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  4. Olá, Também negociamos uma proposta semelhante, estava no site bom negócio, um ap no Jardim Paulista. Cuidado!!! O email veio em nome de Claudia Bromley, os textos são idênticos!

  5. Aqui no RJ já usaram esse esquema, sob vários pseudônimos: Theresa Kippe, Willy Orentt, Daniele Glesten, Thomas Leiff … A mensagem em Inglês é sempre a mesma. Como se trata de um crime via internet, aplicado desde outro país, fica difícil para as autoridades locais apurarem, mesmo quando alguém denuncia. Teria que haver uma cooperação entre as polícias para localizar a rota de envio das mensagens e seus responsáveis.

  6. Passei por exatamente a mesma situação.

    Os anúncios são:
    http://alugar-casa-imovel.vivastreet.com.br/alugar-casa-apartamento+morumbi/apartamento-com-2-quartos-/48250170
    http://www.imovelweb.com.br/911507974

    E as respostas do “proprietário” foram:

    Primeira resposta:

    “Hello,

    First of all I’m sorry to write you in English but i don’t speak Portuguese. I just read your e-mail regarding my apartment located in : R. Visc. de Nacar, 315 – Morumbi, São Paulo, 05685-010, Brazil. It has 2 bedrooms, 1 bathrooms, 1 kitchen and 1 living room. I bought this apartment for my daughter during her studies in Brazil, but now she’s back home (Manchester/UK) permanently, so I’m renting the place for unlimited time.
    Before we go any further I would like to know a little something about you, like how many persons you intend to live in the apartment, and for how long.
    The flat is exactly like in the pictures, fully furnished and renovated. Also, very important, the utilities (cold/hot water, electricity, wireless broadband Internet, digital TV, 1 parking spots, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator, washing machine, etc.) are INCLUDED in the price of R$900/month. The caution is also R$900, and you get it back, when you decide to leave the apartment (you will have to give me at least 30 days notice). As for me, you can rest assured that I will never ask you to leave the apartment. My daughter is building her life here, and i am too old to move to Brazil, so we won’t disturb you.
    You can use my furniture, or you can also use your own if you prefer. If you decide to use yours, you will have access to a very large and well ventilated cellar, where you can store my furniture.
    Now, a little bit about myself so we can get to know each other better. My name is Jack Pollard and I’m a 57 years old graphic designer from Manchester/UK, planning to retire in the next 2 years.
    I have a lovely wife, Viviane and a 25 year old daughter, Frida. I am very proud to say that soon I’m going to be a grandfather :) . Another member of our family is a 8 year old Labrador which we all love, so, I have no problem if you will keep pets.
    The only inconvenience is that my job doesn’t allow me to leave Manchester even for one single day. We just hired some new staff and I’m in charge of their training.
    But this won’t affect you at all. I can make arrangements to rent the apartment from Manchester/UK (on my expense of course).

    Looking forward to hear from you soon.

    All the best from Manchester!
    —————————————
    Jack Pollard
    Department Manager in Graphic Design
    pollardjack@hotmail.com

    Segunda resposta:

    “Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I’m in Manchester/UK already. Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for one month of rent will be R$900 + 900 security deposit ( kaution ) = (R$1800), with no extra taxes to pay.I must have one month rent + security deposit from you.You pay this money just for this time and every month you pay just R$900 . The money, I want to recive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to check it, and see if you like it. Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast as well. The solution is provided by a company called MoneyBookers which is similar to FedEx or UPS, which will handle both payment and delivery of the Keys. I have found a procedure that will allow you to pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the MoneyBookerwebsite to see how we can complete the deal safely and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is explained: https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow&l=EN
    Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care of this matter.”

    Como eu já estava desconfiada desde o início e já estava fazendo pesquisas a respeito, mas sem sucesso, após este segundo e-mail ao procurar pelo link do site encontrei páginas como esta que denunciavam o golpe.
    Deixo minha contribuição de mais um pseudônimo do mesmo golpe.

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